I hate the idea of having to associate myself with a country that can behave so shamefully. I'm a patriot. I want to be proud of my country. I want a country worth being proud of.
Agreed on all accounts, however, there is not one single country that has ever NOT behaved in some horrificly shameful way. We just happen to be witnessing the US do it now. Doesn't make it right, it just means that I don't think it's worthy of saying I'm ashamed to be American.
everyone knew that Bush had lost the popular vote
Except that we don't elect presidents based on popular vote, so that is an irrelivant point.
Take the Patriot Act for example; do you really think that whoever comes after him is going to declare it void?
Yeah, I do. I think that MOST Americans find it to be bullshit, and I think that since the Democrats are going to, I firmly believe, control the congress and presidency next time, I think the Patriot Act will be finished.
made us seem like a country of idiots and extremists
Well, and how is that untrue? Seriously, on the whole, I think that describes most of the country. I'll bet it's fairly accurate for the rest of humanity.
While, on the whole, I do agree with your sentiments, it's the conclusion that they lead you to I respectfully disagree with. And I do mean that I respect your opinion. I just don't feel the same. :)
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Agreed on all accounts, however, there is not one single country that has ever NOT behaved in some horrificly shameful way. We just happen to be witnessing the US do it now. Doesn't make it right, it just means that I don't think it's worthy of saying I'm ashamed to be American.
Except that we don't elect presidents based on popular vote, so that is an irrelivant point.
Yeah, I do. I think that MOST Americans find it to be bullshit, and I think that since the Democrats are going to, I firmly believe, control the congress and presidency next time, I think the Patriot Act will be finished.
Well, and how is that untrue? Seriously, on the whole, I think that describes most of the country. I'll bet it's fairly accurate for the rest of humanity.
While, on the whole, I do agree with your sentiments, it's the conclusion that they lead you to I respectfully disagree with. And I do mean that I respect your opinion. I just don't feel the same. :)