fickle: (mai: pro choice)
Fickle ([personal profile] fickle) wrote2007-01-24 06:31 pm

Blog For Choice Day, belated.

Apparently the 22nd of January was Blog For Choice Day and I missed it. Much ♥ to [livejournal.com profile] harmonybunny114 for informing me of it.

Of course, pretty much anyone who reads this journal already knows that I'm very definitely pro-choice. I believe that what a woman does with her body is her own business, and that nobody else, not the government or her husband, should be able to make that decision for her.

Of course, what most of you probably don't know is that I used to be anti-choice as a kid. I thought of myself as one of those babies that could have been killed, and I read Tom Clancy. I liked Tom Clancy, he of Red October fame.

Why is Tom Clancy relevant to a discussion on choice?

There's one book he read, I can't even remember the title any longer, but it was about Jack Ryan, a Marine-CIA hero, being elected the President and how he was going to overthrow Roe vs. Wade. I remember very clearly reading the discussion he had with his wife, knowing that Jack was the hero of the book and that I was expected to sympathize with him, and thinking to myself, "Wait. That's wrong."

His wife was a doctor, but she agreed anyway. That only set off more of my "That's wrong." sensors.

The more of Clancy's books I read, the more I found myself disagreeing with the way he used his books to push his political views, but the key realization I had was that first one, where I couldn't believe that his supposed hero would take away the right of women to choose.

I can't pinpoint when exactly in my teenage years I changed from empathizing with the babies to empathizing with the women. I just know that Tom Clancy, ironically enough, is the one who made me realize that my views on abortion had switched from pro-life to pro-choice.

Edit: Best list of reasons to be pro-choice ever.

[identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com 2007-01-25 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think the husband should make the choice, but he should have a say in the matter if he's there.

[identity profile] fickle-goddess.livejournal.com 2007-01-25 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
*nods* Yeah. I do think that the guy should definitely have a say both ways, since if she wants to keep it and he doesn't, he might end up financially supporting it as well as if she doesn't want to have it but he does. I just think that ultimately, she's the one who'll have to carry it, so the ultimate decision rests with her.

[identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com 2007-01-25 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
I just think it's complicated, and agree with you on the ultimate thing.

[identity profile] ager-sanguinis.livejournal.com 2007-01-25 01:16 am (UTC)(link)
I don't think I ever thought much about it until I hit high school. And even then, the situation eluded me so much that I didn't formulate much of a strong opinion either way.

I'm definitely pro-choice, now. I can't pinpoint the reasons why, but one has to do with the fact that I'm not religious and I don't hold life sacred in that way (as bad as it sounds.)

Also, I worry about overpopulation. Not that I think abortion will help prevent it, but I believe strongly in family planning and believe even more strongly in responsible parenting. And that includes having only as much children as you can sustain and nurture well but also keeping in mind that the earth is going to reach carrying capacity and something is going to have to give.

Then I also put myself in a pregnant teen's shoes. I can't imagine how terrible it must be to not only face the difficult choice of getting rid of a child, but also having everyone persecute you for even considering it.

[identity profile] fickle-goddess.livejournal.com 2007-01-25 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
I think the fact that I'm not religious probably contributes to the fact that I tend not to think of it so much as killing someone when an abortion is carried out since to me, it's really just a bunch of cells that have divided several times. Kinda like a cancer, I suppose, though that's an icky comparison to think about.

And having a kid that's going to be unwanted, unloved and blamed for ruining the mother's or father's life is just not a good idea in the least. I know the standard counter-argument to that is "Well, they could just give it up for adoption!" but honestly, sometimes just the process of being pregnant is damaging enough to a woman.

Especially in Asian families or families with a strong sense of traditional values if we're talking about pregnant, unmarried teenagers. It's really hard to properly express exactly how crushing familial pressure can be to someone that hasn't grown up in that sort of an environment.

Though really, I don't think it has to be a pregnant-unwed-teen scenario to justify the right to have an abortion. A family with a teen already in college where the mother and father are just too old to raise another kid and can't financially support it anyway? I'd say that the mother has every right to not want to have the child, especially if there's an increased risk of the baby having Down's syndrome or something like that.

It's part of why I am so strongly in favor of teaching sex ed in school -- I'd rather that nobody was in a position to have to make such choices, but if they have to, I want them to have the choice open to them.

[identity profile] harmonybunny114.livejournal.com 2007-01-25 08:18 am (UTC)(link)
Do you, like, never check your email? Or was it just that account? I always forget which one to send it to :(

Gah. Could you please send me an email from the account you check MOST OFTEN, and I will delete all other accounts :p

[identity profile] alexshido.livejournal.com 2007-01-25 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
Alas! A cornucopia of love! XD

[identity profile] harmonybunny114.livejournal.com 2007-01-25 08:31 am (UTC)(link)
*bother* :)

[identity profile] fickle-goddess.livejournal.com 2007-01-27 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
*dies* I check that e-mail! I seriously do. I was just a little overloaded and somehow, the fact that it was THAT DAY didn't register too hard with me.

...Also, I think it's partly that I don't like creating new posts until I've replied to comments from old posts. So if I still had comments I was replying to on that day, I probably didn't want to stick up anything new but didn't realize there was a deadline involved.

*IS STUPID AND SLEEP-DEPRIVED, YES!*

[identity profile] harmonybunny114.livejournal.com 2007-01-27 09:27 am (UTC)(link)
lol, no problem :)

[identity profile] sorshawolf.livejournal.com 2007-01-25 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm pro-choice because of two reasons. First and foremost, the baby. I'd rather see a child grow up in a loving home, than see a baby abandoned in a dumpster because it's illegal to get an abortion. Second, because who are we to impose our morals on someone else?

[identity profile] fickle-goddess.livejournal.com 2007-01-27 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
Seconded, and seconded. To both those points.