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Fickle ([personal profile] fickle) wrote2008-04-23 01:03 am

someone needs to tell him it's Sexual Assault Awareness Month.

Heard of the Open Source Boobie Project?

If you haven't, you should probably know straight off the bat that the name's a misnomer. Open Source has nothing to do with this because breasts are not publicly shareable bits of property. Breasts belong to the person they are attached to. They do not belong to anyone else -- not the doctor, not the plastic surgeon, not the boyfriend/girlfriend/significant other of the moment and not the hungry baby. My breasts, my uterus, my vagina, my body.

And if you try to act otherwise, I will most likely oppose your viewpoint either firmly or violently depending on your level of stupidity.

That said, what exactly am I so snarly about this? Multiple reasons.


  1. For a moment, everything that was awkward about high school would fade away and you could just say what was on your mind. It was as though parts of me were being healed whenever I did it, and I touched at least fifteen sets of boobs at Penguicon. It never got old, surprisingly. Women are not responsible for your sexual healing. If you had a hard time picking up girls in high school or getting to touch their breasts, dressing up wanting to touch a lot of breasts at a con as 'sexual healing' does not make it look less sleazy. Like someone else said, my breasts do not have magical healing powers.

  2. Like [livejournal.com profile] brown_betty said, "apparently there is a deeply felt conviction among some subset of men that the problem with today's society is that they do not have enough access to women's bodies."

    Of all the things that are wrong with society, I really don't think that's one of them.

  3. We went around the con, asking those who we thought might be amenable - you didn't just ask anyone, but rather the ones who'd dressed to impress - and generally, people responded.

    Right. How exactly is this person defining 'dress to impress'? And apart from that, dressing in skimpy clothing doesn't necessarily mean you want to do anything. There's a motto I remember hearing a lot as a teenager "Being sexy doesn't mean you have to be sexual", and I think that applies perfectly here. Looking good, baring skin -- none of that is a signal that it's okay to ask to touch private areas. For me, that's skating down the dangerous slope of 'girls who wear short skirts are asking to be raped'.

  4. They understood how this worked instinctively, and it worked.

    Instinctively, they knew a request to have their breasts felt was not a sleazy come-on but instead, part of a sexist project to revolutionize culture by having women's breasts become public space? Women's bodies don't need to become even more a part of the 'public space' than they already are! And I really don't think that my first reaction to someone asking to touch my breasts would be to think that they're holding a social revolution, so I'm very curious as to where these mind-reading girls are coming from.

  5. By the end of the evening, women were coming up to us. "My breasts," they asked shyly, having heard about the project. "Are they... are they good enough to be touched?" And lo, we showed them how beautiful their bodies were without turning it into something tawdry.

    This part especially disturbs me. Women do NOT need their bodies to be validated by men. They have enough body issues already without thinking that there is some sort of standard that they need to pass -- a standard that is judged by random men -- in order to have breasts that are 'good enough'.

  6. "I may not yet know your mind, but your body is beautiful." How is this revolutionary? This is what's happening right now. You make your initial assumptions about a person's attractiveness based on how they look. Guys stare at girls' breasts all the time; this is just taking it to another extreme of having them actually touch the breasts in question instead of just leering. They're hardly overthrowing the system; they're just opening it up for even more discomfort and possible harassment on the part of the women.


More reactions, many much more articulate, can be found here.

[identity profile] lunarwhirl.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 09:05 am (UTC)(link)
I just...

Sheer, blinding rage. I can't even be coherent about it.

[identity profile] fickle-goddess.livejournal.com 2008-04-24 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
...I gave you the link over IM last night, remember? You asked me I was new to the Internet.

But yeah. RAGE. A ton of it. Thank god for straight guys like Tablesaw (http://theferrett.livejournal.com/1087686.html?thread=54717382#t54717382) because man, it's good to see the writer getting smacked down by someone of his own gender and orientation so that he can't just dismiss as sexually repressed women getting hysterical about more 'enlightened' ones.

[identity profile] inuyatta.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 10:04 am (UTC)(link)
Like I said in White Rain's journal--I welcome these fools to try and ask if they can feel me up. It'll be an interesting race between me and my boyfriend as to who gets their fist through the pervert's face first.

The fact that this creep's wife not only acknowledges this tripe as a social experiment, but AGREES and SUPPORTS him...gah. No words. At least, none that would quite express my disbelief and rage.

[identity profile] fickle-goddess.livejournal.com 2008-04-24 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
I'd be incredibly WTF-faced at a request like that. With a side of "NO." And the temptation to ask, "Are you insane? What makes you think it's even remotely okay to ask me a question like that out of nowhere?"

On the plus side, Tablesaw (linked above) and HIS fiancee, are absolutely fantastic and hang on the opposite side of the scale. Read her response (http://ojouchan.livejournal.com/182207.html) for a good look at how peer pressure comes into this 'experiment' of Ferrett's as well.

[identity profile] brownie-utonium.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 02:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I find it funny that he's trying to liken it to some kind of religious epiphany. While I think that this idea is really stupid, I don't think it's really all as horrifying as people are making it out to be.

He's said that they aren't going to go harass ask people anymore, so the only ones who will be involved are those who go buy the damn buttons. I can see where it might still be a problem if some guys try to grope girls wearing the "green" pins without permission, but... seriously, how can you NOT expect that? It's just sad that girls will even involve themselves with it.

Hey, why don't we start an "Open Source Testicle Project?"

...On second thought, NO. NO NO NO NO, GOD NO.

[identity profile] fickle-goddess.livejournal.com 2008-04-24 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
I think what a lot of people are getting bugged about is the inherent male privilege of the statement, and like you said, how he's phrasing it as a religious epiphany.

He wrote over 1,200 words of how much pleasure he got out of touching women's breasts and now he wants us to believe that somehow, this is really good and liberating for women and it makes their self-esteem higher to have random guys decide their breasts are good enough to grope!

As for the girls who were involved, not all of them entirely knew what was going on. For example, [livejournal.com profile] novapsyche wore a green ribbon (http://novapsyche.livejournal.com/1996568.html) but she says that if she'd read his journal post, she wouldn't have because the way he put is quite different to how it was explained to her.

And pfft. I think that Logilo's suggestion (http://theferrett.livejournal.com/1087686.html?thread=54912966#t54912966) was a better one. Read that thread and the comments coming from it. It's hilarious trying to watch Ferrett argue that no, really, it won't be satisfying if he's being the passive one instead of the active hunter of boobs.

[identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 04:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Everything you said. Yes.

[identity profile] fickle-goddess.livejournal.com 2008-04-24 03:36 am (UTC)(link)
Everything she (http://ojouchan.livejournal.com/182207.html) said too. She covers a lot of my points but in much more detail and way more eloquently.

[identity profile] horntotingmania.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh. My. God. That was one of the most vile things I've ever seen on the internet. The last thing that freaked me out this much was learning about bug chasers.

I haaated the way he phrased the whole thing. '"My breasts," they asked shyly, having heard about the project. "Are they... are they good enough to be touched?" And lo, we showed them how beautiful their bodies were without turning it into something tawdry.' And then defenders kept saying that it wasn't sexual, it was sensual. WELL THAT MAKES IT OK THEN LAWL! I like how he thinks he has the right to ask if he can touch women's boobs. Does he know what sexual harassment is? He'd probably define it as a man expressing his senshuall and totally not sekshuall appreciation of a woman's body.

And then I scrolled up and saw his picture in his icon. And lo, it all made sense.

[identity profile] fickle-goddess.livejournal.com 2008-04-24 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
I have no idea what bug chasers are. I'm not entirely sure I want to know.

AND YES. The following translation (http://www.journalfen.net/community/unfunnybusiness/9338.html?thread=196986#t196986) is the most concise explanation of how this whole sleazy project comes off.

"What he thought it sounded like:

The group of us had this incredibly powerful, intimate and very personal encounter as we broke free of the constrictive shackles of societal norms and boundaries and explored the possibilities of expressing sexual attraction in a free and accepting fashion...

What it really sounded like:

Hur hur hur boobies boobies boobies hur hur hur"
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[identity profile] princessjessia.livejournal.com 2008-04-24 07:32 am (UTC)(link)
I can't read it. I saw it on [livejournal.com profile] mlleelizabeth's recent entry and I couldn't get past the first (of what I think was his original post) paragraph before my head exploded with rage. I mean, seriously, WHAT?

I can't bring myself to look and see if he's an equal opportunity pervert and thus all cool with his ass or package being grabbed, or if he's a blatant sexist hypocrite on top of it. My brain can't take it.

[identity profile] harmonybunny114.livejournal.com 2008-04-24 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I think the internet is being very silly about this. Of course, I understand why, but I do feel sorry for him. This would not have been a problem AT ALL if it weren't for the fact that we live in a male-dominated world and women feel overly sexualised and objectified as it is. Big if, naturally, which is why I still come down on the side of those saying it was inappropriate. Except I would say more...ill-advised.

Reading what the guy wrote, I really don't think he is the creepy depraved pervert everyone else is making him out to be. In fact, I rather like his microcosm world of prodding at social norms (no pun intended). I've been in groups of friends where we've randomly touched each others' breasts - I've been in crowds (ie marches, protests) where people came up to me with a 'Free hugs' sign and I'd hug them. Now the first case differs because it is among friends, and the second is different because it is decidedly less sexual and gender-specific. However, the linking theme between these scenarios is how much fun it was to feel a little bit less restricted, to challenge the assumption of reservation, prudence, and semi-isolation. And it sounds like he was feeling the same things, too, and enjoying the giddy silly newness of it all.

HOWEVER, when taking this tiny bohemia into a larger context, and turning it into a social experiment and creating buttons, I think he was clearly just not thinking about how others might take it. I don't think it was misogynistic, just daft. Perhaps his main crime of condescension was assuming that women could just let go of the negative reminders of assault and harassment in the name of free-love bonding - maybe he trivialised that, or simply didn't stop to think?

I don't think women should be hypersensitive about this. But I really, really understand why they are. If someone asked to touch my boobs, my first thought would be that they were a creep, and potentially dangerous - I would be angry and scared, and it would have to be a very special scenario for me to feel comfortable saying 'yes'.

[identity profile] fickle-goddess.livejournal.com 2008-04-27 09:12 am (UTC)(link)
For the sake of a little more context, this is the same man who has written:

1) But a lot of the females I knew had this weird disconnect; they wanted men to flirt with them, but they wanted men to remain in some strange, cartoon-like asexual zone until they were ready to have sex. The men were supposed to be turned on, but only in a clinical fashion that was absolutely separate from their genitalia. The idea that an unauthorized male might be sporting an erection over their jiggling breasts was creepy to them, even if they'd gone to great lengths to make the tops of those breasts easily visible. In fact, I knew several women who dressed like hookers who got really upset when someone they didn't know told them they had a nice ass.

"You put the ass out there," I'd say. "You wrapped it so tightly in leather that it looks like a black version of your naked butt. Considering you went to such lengths to display the ass, why are you upset when someone notices it?"

They usually didn't take too well to that.

I viewed it as a control issue, and a slightly selfish one at that. Yes, I understand the whole "take back the night" issue, and I support the death penalty for serial rapists. But these guys aren't rapists; they're enthusiasts. (http://theferrett.livejournal.com/534169.html)

2) Unfortunately, I can't decry the process of "asking repeatedly," mainly because it's the only stimuli a lot of women respond to. Frankly, I think any woman who has to be begged fifteen times before she eventually accepts should be drug into the back alleyways and beaten, because her rampant need (http://theferrett.livejournal.com/535109.html) for a string of pleadings trains the wrong sort of men that no doesn't mean no.

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He's also the same guy who blogged about how he tried to pick up a homeless girl for sex and bring her back to his girlfriend's place when he couldn't find an alcove to fuck her in, then got annoyed when she freaked out about possibly being raped by him.

"I'm sorry," she said after a few glacially-silent minutes, "But I've had some bad experiences, y'know?"

I could sympathize. I'd just had one myself, after all.


Because clearly, being raped and having someone freak out about the possibility you might rape them is EXACTLY the same thing. Link to that is here (http://www.theferrett.com/showarticle.php?Rant=46).

[identity profile] harmonybunny114.livejournal.com 2008-04-27 09:27 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I'm not liking that a whole lot. Though I still do stand by my original point of liking to cross boundaries, yet it not being appropriate due to all the shit women have to deal with in life.